Life after the PhD: 8 inspiring post-PhD interview websites


What could your life look like after your PhD, if you chose to pursue a career outside of academia? You can find out by browsing through the hundreds of inspiring post-PhD interviews, profiles and autobiographies available online. To save you the trouble of tracking them all down, here are 8 websites which carry some of the best post-PhD interviews and profiles. In no particular order they are:

1. PhDs At Work — Insight and Advice on Life Beyond Academia. Michelle Erickson takes the PhD interview format to a whole new level with her ‘week-in-the-life’ approach. PhDs working in corporate and non-profit sectors give accounts of what they do in their day jobs, showing how skills learned in the PhD are put to use outside of academia. Professional photography and cool site navigation make this site a real pleasure to use. My favourite part is the way that each contributor’s dissertation title is listed too! Sign up by email to get a post every day of the week, when a new interview is posted.

2. From PhD to Life – Jennifer Polk’s blog has massively raised the profile of informational interviewing as a tool to assist with PhD career development. The Transition Questions and Answers section of the site contains Jen’s interviews with PhDs who’ve taken the plunge and are now enjoying fantastic and fulfilling careers! This approach has elicited some great insights and advice from PhDs: two of my all-time favourite interviews are with Sarah Kendzior and Sam Ladner. There’s also a useful list of links to individual PhD interviews to found elsewhere on the web.

3. The Versatile PhD – VPhD is already well-known for its discussion forums, job postings and local area meet-ups. The site also has a Premium area where you can find 80 personal profiles written by humanities and social science PhDs who were hired straight out of academia. Not only that, you can read some of the actual resumes and cover letters they used to get their post-ac jobs! In addition you can view career autobiographies from PhDs who have been out of academia for a while and from 1 July 2013, the profiles section will be expanded to include 60 STEM researchers. Check whether your university or association is on the list of subscribing institutions for the Premium content.

4. Beyond the PhD – This rich resource from the University of Reading features profiles of researchers who have gone into both academic and non-academic careers. There is so much content here that you could be browsing for days, with audio clips as well as timelines and transcripts! Helpfully the audio clips are also organised by topic, such as ‘Deciding against an academic career’ and ‘Employer attitudes to the PhD’, so you can come back again and again at different stages in your career journey.

5. Think Ahead Blog – This blog, from the Researcher Development team at the University of Sheffield, has over one hundred profiles written by researchers who’ve found careers outside of academia. Use the hashtag #sheffvista to generate a list of all of the personal profiles on the site, and read about all the fantastic career paths open to PhDs.

6. Vitae – This fantastic UK website for researchers has a whole section dedicated to careers outside academia. In this section you can browse more than thirty five profiles of researchers now working in non-academic roles, including suggestions and advice, and a link to their LinkedIn profile. If you fancy setting up your own business, you can check out more than thirty profiles of researchers who are now entrepreneurs.

7. PhD Career Guide – Mike D’Ecclessis’s career website is another place to find in-depth audio interviews with PhDs outside academia, and promises great things in the future, judging by the quality of the guests so far. You can listen to the interviews on the site or subscribe in iTunes. I really enjoyed the interview with Nathan Vanderford, especially his reflections on the importance of being ‘career conscious’ during your PhD – I plan to write a blog post on this theme soon.

8. What Are All The PhDs? Sharing the Career Path of All PhDs – This is a great idea: people with PhDs can submit a career profile to this tumblr site founded by Nathan Vanderford. Since the contributors sprinkle their profiles with links, you can also get access to the ‘world of work’ beyond the individual, which is especially helpful for learning more about particular career paths out of academia. Go ahead and submit your profile to the site!

Take action now: I’ve expanded this post into a handy PDF version, which you can download and share for free: Resource Guide: 10 career websites that every PhD should visit!

If you know of a great interview site that’s not listed here, please let me know via my contact form or through my Facebook page. I hope you enjoy reading and listening to these interviews as much as I did!

This page was updated with two new websites in April 2016.

How to recognise and overcome the failure story after your PhD


Do you have a PhD, but sometimes feel like a failure? It’s really important that you find the right story to frame your transition out of academia. In my previous post I gave some examples of how you can tell a positive story about your transition and in doing so get past ‘narrative wreckage’ – the disconnect between our expectations and the reality of life post-PhD.

One particular story which I didn’t touch upon in that post, but which I want to cover for completeness, is what I call ‘the failure story’. As we reach the end of our dissertation and transition into hunting for our next position, it can sometimes feel like all those years of hard work haven’t paid off. Comments made by our peers or family about our ‘failure’ to find a permanent academic post can feel hurtful, demeaning or patronising.

By the end of this two-part post I want you to (a) recognise the failure story – because it can sometimes be unconscious; (b) understand how to tackle it and overcome it, and (c) realise that you define the terms of your own career success.

Spotting the failure story

Like many PhDs and post-docs leaving higher education, I encountered the failure story in a few different guises. Some examples of how it manifested itself in my own day-to-day life were:

1. It’s a story I actually first told myself. Although I had a happy and successful university career, from time to time I would run a version of the failure story in my head. I also imagined my university colleagues telling this story about me. While I was working on my post-doc and applying for academic posts, my internal failure story went something like this:

‘Chris is a bright and promising scholar but he can’t seem to get a permanent academic job. It’s such a shame. Maybe he didn’t come across well enough at interviews or have good enough research plans in the right areas. He’s having to quit academia now and go and do something else now to earn money to support his family. All those years of hard work, what a waste, what a loss.’

Looking back, I realise that I thought and felt this way because I was caught within a narrow paradigm of academic career success: that anything less than a lectureship meant that somehow I had failed. Once I began to appreciate the limitations of that view, and I embraced a wider definition of what constitutes career success, those feelings died away. Reading back over these words now is a bit painful, but on the other hand it’s quite liberating, because of how far I’ve moved on, and how I’ve been able to help others gain a new perspective through this blog.

2. It’s a story others tell about us. Once when attending a conference in my field a couple of years after leaving academia, I had the experience of being consolled about the fact that I ‘hadn’t found an academic post’, by a well-meaning former colleague. I did my best to reassure her that I was quite happy in my new career, but felt she was not convinced!

3. It’s a story we tell others. When I first started thinking about my employment options outside academia, I remember talking about it with my dad. Mostly our conversation was in quite pragmatic terms, about my need to find a job with a decent income now that my post-doc was ending. I was also concerned that a decision to leave academia might affect my relationship, as my partner had only ever known me as a scholar and researcher. Would I been seen as a quitter? Would taking up a business career also change my personality for the worse, turning me into an evil capitalist sell-out? These thoughts seem quite daft in retrospect now, but in that bubble of transition, those feelings of failure, and fear of being labelled a failure by my peers, were very real to me.

If you keep up with blogs, tweets, interviews and articles in the area of post-PhD employment, you’ll hear the failure story all the time. In the course of writing this article for instance, on The Professor Is In’s Facebook page, Karen posted an extract from an email she wrote to a client, addressing their fears that leaving academia will see them branded as a failure. I received a similar email myself from a reader of the blog recently. We know the problem exists. What can we do about it?

Tackling the failure story

The failure story should be recognised for what it is: it’s just a story. It’s not the truth. It’s a frame of reference that gets applied to a person’s career situation to make (incorrect) sense of it. As already mentioned, several times after I left academia for a career in industry, people framed my transition in terms of failure – commiserating me that things hadn’t worked out, or asking if I was ever going back. There are other variations on the failure story – the researcher who’s done a PhD but doesn’t know what to do next, except that they don’t want to go into academia (‘what a waste of public money’ moan the critics); or the researcher who for whatever reason doesn’t ever finish their dissertation.

Make no mistake, stories are powerful. They can change our mood, our confidence, our whole outlook on life. The post-PhD failure story is an extremely powerful and persistent myth. It’s insidious, presenting itself as natural, in spite of the fact that a simple look at the raw statistics about PhD career destinations tells a completely different story: in the UK, only 22% of PhDs are in teaching and lecturing roles in higher education 3 years after completion (see my post on Why you need to start thinking about a career outside academia).

The most important thing I learned in the process of making my own transition out of academia was not to let the failure story control me. After a shaky start, I took control of the story of my own career. I defined myself as an educator in search of a new challenge, someone who had won a string of research grants and who now wanted to direct their energies into developing the democratic potential of web-based learning. As I described in my previous post, you too need to create an empowering story about your own transition. But what if you can’t quite get past the failure story?

So in the second part of this post I’ll look at some positive ways to frame and reframe your experience. Let’s get beyond the false binary which ascribes success or failure to whether or not you’ve landed a permanent lectureship or tenure-track post after your PhD. Let’s tell the story of the success of all PhDs, whether they apply their talents inside academia, or find their calling or vocation in another sector.

Further reading – marketing yourself

Feeling like a failure? 4 strategies for beating the post-PhD blues, by Chris
Applying for jobs outside academia – from PhD to fellow professional, by Chris
How to tell a great story about your transition out of academia, by Chris
PhD Springboard: a guide to private coaching and training services, by Chris

How to tell a great story about your transition out of academia

How to tell a great story about your transition out of academia

When you submit your dissertation, a major chapter in your life comes to a close. What an awesome achievement – probably the hardest thing you’ll ever do, and definitely a cause for celebration! You deserve to bask in the elation of achieving such a major milestone for a while.

Sooner or later though, when someone asks you about your job plans post-PhD, what’s your 30-second elevator pitch going to be?

By the end of this post I want you to feel more confident about telling the story of your transition out of higher education and into a new sector of work. The bottom line is that you’ll need a clear rationale for your career change, because a lot of folks still think a PhD = academic. You’ll need to tell your story with confidence and convinction. You’ll need to tell it to yourself, to your friends and peers, and of course to future employers! So what will you say?

Stories and our sense of self

I was fortunate to attend a workshop with the storyteller Geoff Mead recently. Afterwards I read his fascinating account of his personal journey into storytelling, Coming Home to Story. In his book Geoff talks about the importance of stories for framing our lives and for shaping our sense of self. He uses one phrase in particular that really strikes a chord with me: ‘narrative wreckage’. This phrase, used originally by Arthur Frank, describes the point in our lives when we realise that ‘the familiar stories we tell about ourselves don’t make sense anymore’, due to illness, bereavement or separation for instance (p. 67).

The notion of narrative wreckage also feels very relevant to an all-too-common part of the post-PhD experience – the low that often follows the high of completion and handing in your dissertation. As mentioned above, after the initial elation of completing your PhD, you can soon be brought down to earth by the harsh reality of navigating the job market, either inside or outside of academia. Here are three reasons why it can be hard to tell a satisfying story about yourself and your situation post-PhD:

Reason 1 – Unemployment: ‘Everything I’ve done in the past decade has been with the intention of becoming a professor, but I just can’t get hired!’ If the plum academic job that you set your heart on doesn’t work out, you can be left feeling disoriented about who you are and where to go next.

Reason 2 – Under-employment: ‘I spent all these years in college, and I took on all this debt – I might as well not have bothered if I’ve ended up making minimum wage as an adjunct! And things are never going to improve for adjuncts!’ For many, the realities of low-paid and insecure adjuncting, taken as a stop gap, don’t fit with the desire for a decently-paid and stable job after so many years of hard work invested in the PhD.

Reason 3 – Self-doubt: ‘I’m a PhD, I’m over-qualified, what skills do I have relevant to business, who’s ever going to hire me?’ When thinking about making the transition out of academia, it can be a struggle to articulate your true value to a non-HE employer, especially if you’ve had no advice on how to market yourself.

Do any of these post-PhD voices sound familiar? To my mind all these examples fit under the heading of narrative wreckage – where the circumstances of our lives after the PhD don’t fit our life stories any more. In the case of those seeking academic employment and the tenure track, the scale of the disconnect between aspiration and reality continues to be huge.

In the case of employment in sectors beyond higher education, where there are many more opportunities to reinvent yourself, it’s easier to fashion a new story to suit your new circumstances. When I made the transition, I told the story of Chris Humphrey as a professional educator and an entrepreneur, someone who had great skills and enthusiasm for teaching, which they wanted to combine with the emerging technology and business of web-based learning. This simple story about the reason for my career change got me hired after my post-doc came to an end, and opened up a whole new career for me in business back in 2000.

So what was different about me when I interviewed at the e-learning company, when compared with my academic job-seeking self of a few months earlier? Absolutely nothing whatsoever, except for the story I was telling, backed up by a different CV and cover letter, and perhaps some extra excitement about a new challenge! The story of your transition is therefore the most important thing to get straight as you embark upon your post-PhD life.

So pay close attention to the story you’re telling about yourself right now. Are you feeling like you’re trapped in the wreckage of broken dreams? Maybe you’ve already got a clear idea of your story, which you just need to make public? Or do you need to draw upon your deepest resources and inner strength, in order to forge a new narrative to take your life forward?

Telling a great story about your transition

One of the many interesting things about PhD transition narratives is that they are so intensely personal. They must reflect your own situation, your skills, your intent and your passion. So make some private time for yourself and put some dedicated effort into crafting a compelling story. And practise telling it! You can draw upon support from career coaches or attend workshops to help with this, or band together with other folks in the same situation and help one another.

To get you started, here are some examples drawn from post-PhD interviews and profiles, which you can use as models and inspiration for your own story. If it helps, a simple classification is to think of your story in terms of one of three speeds of transition, where the road out of higher education has a fast lane, a middle lane and a slower lane (yes I did used to be a transport consultant!):

The fast lane: ‘I’m a professional X who’s got a PhD too’ The most powerful and confident transition story that’s being told is that higher education was just one stop along the way. These folks are saying that ‘my transition through academia was all part of my plan’. Their academic interests were important to the extent that they contributed to the overall career path of a professional X, rather than being an end in their own right.

There are some great examples of this frame of reference in the public profiles of PhDs who have their own business. Here’s Jessica Langer PhD talking about herself and her marketing company called ‘ideas in flight’, from her personal website: ‘ideas in flight is the brainchild of Jessica Langer, a digital marketing professional since 2001 – before “social media” was a common phrase. Over the past 12 years, Jessica has worked in marketing and communications in progressively more senior roles while at the same time earning a PhD’.

Notice how Jessica presents herself as ‘with a PhD’ rather than ‘as a PhD’. And how the sense of being a professional who is progressing through the marketing industry comes through so strongly. Browse the other pages of this site for more fantastic examples of how Jessica communicates both her professional and academic interests.

The middle lane: ‘I’ve moved on to something new after university’ Most PhDs looking for work outside of academia will use a story that acknowledges a smaller or larger degree of discontinuity between academia and their new employment sector. In effect you’re saying ‘yes there’s a break and here’s why’ or ‘I overcame a challenge and I’m better for doing so’. You’ve taken stock of where you are, repurposed your skills and deliberately set out on a new path.

This motif has great strength when you speak it with confidence and passion. It’s the most widely used post-PhD narrative and certainly the one that I’ve used after getting my first job outside academia. For instance, these days I explain to interviewers that in my late 20s I tried really hard to get a job in university research and teaching, but it didn’t work out, so I decided to switch into another sector. Once I got into business it gave me a new lease of life as I loved the teamwork and being able to put my personal beliefs about sustainability and social justice into practice.

I’m comfortable with this story and I think it has real advantages in an interview situation. Often there’s a dynamic in an interview where the candidate tries to present a strong and invulnerable front, while the interviewers chip away trying to find the weaknesses! In my case I hit them with transparency and frankness up front. In doing so I set the tone for the rest of the interview – I’m presenting myself as a passionate person who brings lots of skills with them, can overcome challenges, who is open about work issues and who is interested in their own growth and development.

You need to apply your own judgement about whether this story will work in your country, or in the sector you’re applying to work in. Once when I tweeted that I tell interviewers that my academic job search didn’t work out, some followers in North America tweeted back ‘really? Are you serious?’! But in the UK I’ve found employers to be very understanding and actually see this as a positive thing – that I had the initiative and guts to reject hourly-paid teaching and forge a new and better-paid career path for myself. In many ways it flips the wreckage story and conveys a sense of resilience and adaptability in the face of adversity.

Here’s another example of this kind of story from Alison Fisher PhD, a plant biologist who now works as a database developer and project manager, from the website PhDs At Work: ‘My career transition was not easy. After grad school I took a postdoc at a government agency that was perfectly aligned with my research interests. As that position was coming to an end, my husband and I decided we did not want to move from the Bay Area, so I started looking for non-academic positions. After working with a career counsellor and doing a series of informational interviews I came to realize that the skills in which I had invested were not in demand. It was heart breaking.’ Alison explains how she found a job outside academia using the skill-set she had developed inside academia, rather than her intellectual interests – a great example of the ‘moving on’ narrative in action.

The slower lane: ‘I’m in transition’ or ‘I’m taking a break’ A variation on the motif of moving on is the story that you’ve given up on the academic job search, but haven’t yet found your new vocation. Or that you never wanted an academic job at all, and now you’re figuring out what to do in your career. This process can take six months to a year or more, but that’s not to say that a slower pace of transition is necessarily a problem: it just takes as long as it takes! The important thing is to be making progress towards your new employment goals during this time. You can also cover off a period spent adjuncting, freelancing or temping after your PhD with this story – ‘I’m adjuncting/temping/freelancing while I figure out my next steps’.

For instance writer and career coach Jennifer Polk PhD self-consciously chronicled her post-PhD journey on her blog From PhD to Life. Jen explained her situation openly and candidly in her first post: ‘I defended and finished my dissertation in February 2012, graduated in June, and now we’re in December. It’s been six month[s] since I received my PhD, and I’m still not sure what I want to do with my life. And that’s ok. I wish the transition process was faster, but you can’t hurry progress.’ Whilst sceptics might think that this kind of public honesty was career suicide, Jen has moved on after a period of reflection to start her own business as a career coach; she also writes a column for University Affairs. Jen’s story for her coaching clients is a great variation on the ‘moving on’ theme – ‘I’ve moved on, and I can help you to move on too’.

Finally, here’s how Caroline Cakebread PhD describes how she decided to take time out from her academic job search in an interview with the blog Life After the PhD: ‘When I came back to Canada from the UK, I had a terrible time finding a job. Even though I ended up publishing a few chapters from my thesis, it wasn’t enough to get me in the door when it came to getting work. After months of rejections, I was pretty depressed and more than ready to take any kind of teaching job anywhere just to get some teaching experience. I felt like I had no control over my future — moreover, I had no job or money. My mother saw how hard that experience was on me and convinced me to try something else for a year — to take a break for awhile. Thankfully I listened to her (thanks Mom!).’ Caroline goes on to describe how she’s subsequently built a career as a financial journalist and business owner, following a contract job in investor education during her break … an awesome example of a PhD moving on!

The beginning, not the end

I hope this short introduction to post-PhD transition narratives has given you the confidence and inspiration to tell your own story! Once you find the right story to frame your future, you’ll delight in finding yourself catching fire, and coming alive again, as you start to unlock the opportunities of a lifetime.

Take action now: Your homework is obviously to write the story of your own transition! If you’re feeling brave, you can share it on the Jobs on Toast Facebook page, or email it to me and I’ll write back and let you know what I think.

Where to find more inspiring post-PhD stories

Back in May 2013 I wrote a blog post listing eight websites carrying interviews with PhDs working outside academia, which has been hugely popular – and I’ve since turned it into a free resource guide. You should check out all these blogs and websites for further information and inspiration! Since I wrote that post in May both Rebecca Schuman and Sydni Dunn have written great articles about the stories academics tell when leaving academia, so check those out too.

This post was updated on 6 February 2014 to include a reference to Arthur Frank.